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Unvented Gas Space Heaters – Continued Delays

Started this discussion. Last reply by Eric Kjelshus Feb 3, 2017. 10 Replies

On Saturday the ASHRAE committee that has been trying to consider a standard affecting unvented gas space heaters for over 10 years was again prevented from issuing proposed standard language for…Continue

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John Proctor replied to Tray Biasiolli's discussion Two-stage furnace, control at furnace or thermostat?
"Ted -- The startup losses on modern furnaces are much smaller than the old days. I would suggest a modification to your statement to: "if the ducts are normal and in unconditioned space then the losses exceed the gains from long run…"
Jan 22
John Proctor replied to Tray Biasiolli's discussion Two-stage furnace, control at furnace or thermostat?
"I hate to be the one to bring this up, but two stage furnaces are quite capable of having lower installed efficiency than single stage furnaces with the same max input. This comes from two sources: 1) the fuel air mixture on low fire often has too…"
Jan 4
Eric Kjelshus replied to John Proctor's discussion Unvented Gas Space Heaters – Continued Delays
"I like the up word push of air in most warehouse stores, with infrared heating.  Most gases push up with heat and go out the holes in roofs & big doors.   I have tested box stores for CO CO2 dust VOC RH% temp selling HVAC - there air…"
Feb 3, 2017
Brad Cook replied to John Proctor's discussion Unvented Gas Space Heaters – Continued Delays
"Dennis, combustion appliances do not put out any specific amount or range of CO (or CO/Hr). A very small amount (in the single digits) of CO may be given off with a new appliance, but it is often after they have operated for a while that the CO…"
Feb 3, 2017
Jason Raddenbach replied to John Proctor's discussion Unvented Gas Space Heaters – Continued Delays
"Dennis, This is anecdotal, but the people I talk to on the tech support line that are using unvented heaters and gas logs are using it, or installing it, because they were sold on the "100% efficient heating" pitch. Starting a bonfire in…"
Feb 3, 2017
Dennis Heidner replied to John Proctor's discussion Unvented Gas Space Heaters – Continued Delays
"John,  of the byproducts listed,  the CO, NOx and H2O I suspect are the most important to consider.   For the unvented heaters used in a cold dry climate during the winter time -- probably adds just a portion of the H2O that would be…"
Feb 2, 2017
Eric Kjelshus replied to John Proctor's discussion Unvented Gas Space Heaters – Continued Delays
" a study of improved cognitive function in green buildings the…"
Feb 2, 2017
Jason Raddenbach replied to John Proctor's discussion Unvented Gas Space Heaters – Continued Delays
"In 2009 I sat in on a ACI conference session in Kansas City with Paul Franscisco who had just finished a study on un-vented gas heaters. It was a 3 year study conducted by Univ of IL Urbana/Champaign about the indoor air quality effects of unvented…"
Feb 2, 2017
Bryan Gabriel replied to John Proctor's discussion Unvented Gas Space Heaters – Continued Delays
"Following to learn more."
Feb 2, 2017
Eric Kjelshus replied to John Proctor's discussion Unvented Gas Space Heaters – Continued Delays
"Both were LP gas.  The more you test the more you find.   This after noon I saw a large office with a open flame of Nat Gas for looks - after it sooted up in flue was 2560 PPM CO but in office was 44 PPM CO with doors open plus dirt -…"
Jan 30, 2017
John Proctor replied to John Proctor's discussion Unvented Gas Space Heaters – Continued Delays
"Thank you Eric"
Jan 30, 2017
Eric Kjelshus replied to John Proctor's discussion Unvented Gas Space Heaters – Continued Delays
"I put a "air advice" in a small house with gas turned off - lack of payment. CO over a 24 hr time ave 39PPM with window open 1". She thinks she has the flue for 3 mo. This was just 11,000 BTU's for 430 SF. Teck with frozen pipes…"
Jan 30, 2017
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Unvented Gas Space Heaters – Continued Delays

On Saturday the ASHRAE committee that has been trying to consider a standard affecting unvented gas space heaters for over 10 years was again prevented from issuing proposed standard language for public review.Just so we are all on the same page, unvented gas space heaters dump 100% of their combustion products into the house. These products include NO2, CO2, CO, H2O, etc. None of these pollutants are good for human health when concentrated within a home. NO2 for example is a carcinogen that…See More
Jan 30, 2017
John Proctor commented on Home Energy Magazine's blog post My Apartment in Tokyo
"Alan: The temperature on the water heater reminds me of the movie "Hot Coffee"."
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John Proctor commented on Eric Kjelshus's blog post Who among us tracks the accuracy of Manual J?
"Eric  It is doubtful that the fan motor is using more energy, the electrical use of PSC motors is nearly constant regardless of speed. What climate are you referring to? If it is a wet climate, then you need the latent removal and should…"
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